BurnUrl: Another Steaming Pile

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by Greg on April 13, 2009

Now that the heat has been turned up on Digg, scrutiny is also spilling over to all the “up-and-coming” services who have decided to jump on the “justifiable framing bandwagon.”

One of those services is BurnURL. The concept of BurnURL is pretty simple: You input a url and it spits out a shortened version that you can then use for distribution. But like Digg, they do not implement a simple 301. Instead, they wrap your page in a frame bar.

Also like Digg, they recently published a “don’t worry, we’re not evil” blog post assuring everyone that they have taken steps to prevent any negative impact on publishers.

We’ve always been a very publishers focused company (both with Readburner and BurnURL) and we intend to keep it that way.  We, from the very creation of BurnURL, wanted to make sure the focus was on publishers and their content versus on us and we’ve put quite a few steps in place to do that.

One of the changes we recently put live was to remove the Sharebar when we detected the user-agents of Google, Yahoo, MSN and Ask (these four account for the largest portions of search traffic).  These crawlers don’t need to see the Sharebar (as they’re not going to interact wtih it), so we don’t need to serve it to them.  Instead we feed them a 301 redirect.  This tells them the URL that was burned is the original content owner and it should be listed in the index on that topic.  Our shortened URL effectively gets ignored.

While I am certainly an SEO who appreciates “bot only” technical solutions for SEO related issues, I still find myself wondering how/why the operators of sites like BurnURL don’t understand the “big-picture” issues.

So let me try and explain them one more time.

1. The SEO Value Isn’t the 301 Itself – Bouncing Googlebot through a 301 served from a url Google has never indexed does not generate the type of “juice transfer” people think. The bump from 301 based adtracking/affiliate programs has been on the decline for quite awhile. I won’t go into the specifics in this post, but the short version is that Google is getting much better at figuring out when a 301 is being used as it was originally intended, (moving content that they most likely have already indexed to a new location) and when it’s being used as a bounce.

2. The SEO Value is in the Preservation of the Destination URL – The URLs generated by traditional 301 shorteners in and of themselves are not going to contribute much to improving your organic visibility. But they do play a significant secondary role by making sure that EVERYONE ends up on the URL that the PUBLISHER intended the content to be viewed from. That is extremely important, because it is from that point that the viral distribution process actually begins.

The Bottom Line:

If you are running any type of service that actively encourages the viral distribution of frame wrapped content you do not own, you are a steaming pile of shit. Period.  There simply is no way for you to spin it as some type of “we’re here to support publishers” bullshit. The only reason you do what you do is to gain exposure for your company off the backs of others hard work. So stop being a pile of shit and go figure out how to create something of actual value.



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Robert Enriquez April 13, 2009 at 4:37 pm

new bookmarking sites are doing the same thing

good thing wordpress has a plugin called ‘no frames’ to take out that annoying diggbar

Li Evans April 13, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Found this via @fatonmaster!

Totally agree with you here, and found another particularly annoying service like this too. Ow.Ly – and is branded somehow by Hoot Suite. Does the same annoying framing… just utterly annoying!

Great post :)

Drew Olanoff April 13, 2009 at 5:05 pm

It is the publishers decision whether to allow frames or not. The bulk of the feedback that we’ve received on BurnURL has been positive, but we take any and all feedback to heart.

Thank you!

Greg April 13, 2009 at 5:21 pm

Completely agree that it is up to the publisher. Which is why I’m going to do all I can to makes sure publishers understand that the harm you cause dramatically outweighs any potential value.

The web as a whole has done a fine job sharing urls without services like yours. (It’s called copy and paste) And the web will continue to function fine once you are gone.

Chris April 13, 2009 at 6:26 pm

here here Greg.

Mike April 13, 2009 at 8:51 pm

Greg,

The fact you’re playing the “I’m helping the community” card is pretty laughable as well. You’re not helping the community, you’re attempting to push forward your name and increase links back to you. If you were just looking to help the community, the title wouldn’t be what it is. It was designed to get retweets and bring more people here.

I mean, you are an SEO guru…

Greg April 13, 2009 at 9:15 pm

I won’t argue the title issue. Of course I wrote it the way I did in an attempt to generate NATURAL ORGANIC DISTRIBUTION.

You are certainly free to think that it is some kind of personal promotion stunt, but I can tell you that having been in this business longer than most, I’m fortunate enough to not have to rely on blogging to gain attention.

At the end of the day, I want to draw attention to the issue because I still believe that what makes the web great is the fact that small people with big ideas can do amazing things.

Unfortunately, we are going through a period where big people with very small ideas are fucking things up for everyone else because the best they can do in terms of original thought is to be a parasite.

Six months ago, no one new what a url shortener was. (even though they have been around forever) The only reason sites like Burn exist is because everyone is sitting around trying to figure out how to sponge off of Twitter’s success.

john April 13, 2009 at 9:17 pm

“… “up-and-coming” services who have decided to jump on the “justifiable framing bandwagon.”

Funny that you pin the bandwagon here. I think BurnURL was the first time I saw the frame up there, and pleasantly enjoyed it.

Greg April 13, 2009 at 9:30 pm

I would reply, but I’m not quite sure what it is you are trying to say…

Michael VanDeMar April 14, 2009 at 5:45 am

Greg, he’s saying that it’s not “jumping on the bandwagon” if they did it first, which based on the date of their blog post announcing it (March 2nd), they did. Looks like Digg ripped off the concept from them, not the other way around.

So, instead of ripping into them for being followers of a dangerous trend, you should be kicking their ass for starting one. :D

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